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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Tue May 19, 2020 6:15 pm

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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19

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Post by Shane » Tue May 19, 2020 6:34 pm

The grocery stores have been pretty well managed. People were nuts originally and hoarding everything. I still don't think toilet paper is in stock. But the store management and employees have been doing a good job of things like encouraging social distancing, extra cleaning before, during, and after hours, and setting special times for senior citizens to shop if they want to avoid the crowds. Of course, everybody in town is going there, so it's not without risk, but it's a necessary risk unless you plan to order everything online, which can be done. I don't get why it's just the mega-corporations that can be expected to do that. Mom and pops would take just as much care. They'll scrub the place themselves if they have to.

Healthcare job losses have been the result of orders to not perform elective procedures, which just means anything that is not an emergency. Urgent is not urgent enough. This does mean dental cleanings and facelifts, but it also potentially means that 300,000 cases of cancer have gone undiagnosed in the US. Even if the treatment were available, some people are so scared of getting coronavirus that they're staying home. In Austria, more people were estimated to have died in March due to fear of going to the hospital than of the virus. The numbers are too small to necessarily extrapolate to other places, but surely that is happening everywhere.

Sweden has about 50% more deaths per capita than Europe as a whole. They are not trying for a flatter curve, so the theory is that when they reach immunity, everybody else should catch up. Whether that actually pans out remains to be seen. Of course, a lot of what these small European nations do couldn't be replicated here. You could do it in a lot of the US, but in a city several times the size of Stockholm, stricter regulations make sense. Still, there are counties with no deaths that are under the same measures as hot spots. We're not alone, though. Australia has had 100 deaths and 47 people are in the hospital, but their measures are about on par with the US and not loosening much faster. Phenomenal results, but at some point I'd think you can start to ease off the brakes.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19

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Post by Calamity Panfan » Tue May 19, 2020 6:37 pm

I mean even if he came off as aggressive and rude or whatever, you still come off as the real a-hole if you punch him. I'm glad you've been wearing a mask and I'm sorry he was rude to you, but responding to a story about a cashier getting punched for trying to uphold his store's policy with "he might've deserved it" is laughable.

You know why these people probably come across as aggressive and might not have the most patience for it? Because they're doing this over and over again over the course of their day, oftentimes dealing with customers who are going to put up a lot more of a stink about it. These employees are likely enforcing a policy that they're not in any control of (and is probably changing regularly), and bearing the brunt of the anger when people get pissed off that they can't come in. These employees have been called "heroes" for the past two months when they really just want to keep food on the table and pay bills. If they're lucky, they've received a pay increase, but many of those pay increases have been taken away. And they're dealing with a lot of bull for all their efforts.

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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Tue May 19, 2020 7:31 pm

It isn't "if", I've lived long enough to know when someone is behaving aggressively--as in intending imminent physical contact, not just exhibiting an aggressive attitude. If I hadn't stopped on a dime we'd have collided, he had no right to suddenly come at me in such a way. I actually had to back up because even though I immediately stopped, he did not. He approached with his hand extended but not quite in a manner to signal "stop", but more outreached, as if intending to escort me back out. For the record, I didn't even really protest at all, and on my way out I had him following hot on my heels.

I'm sure there's plenty of excuses for his behavior (though seeing as just the other day they didn't require masks he couldn't possibly already be fed up with people entering without them), but none are valid. If he just had a bitchy attitude I could understand, but you don't aggressively invade another person's space unless you are ready to be expelled from said space forcibly. This is not a crazy or extreme stance, and I'm sure if I was a woman telling a story about an overly excited flirt who exceeded my boundaries I'd be met with "you go girl".

I take this virus very seriously, I posted my fears about it here multiple times. It's not like I'm just some hoaxer causing trouble, and yeah he had no way to know and did have to enforce the rule, we don't need to excuse bad behavior. If I wasn't so lazy I'd report the guy.

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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19

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Post by I am nobody » Tue May 19, 2020 8:12 pm

Unrelated to current discussion, but wat

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Tue May 19, 2020 8:40 pm

Kinda clickbait, Trump said our higher numbers is because our testing is much better, which is a "badge of honor". Still, he should know by now how saying something like that will be spinned. His habit of trying to be positive always turns out negative.
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Post by smol Kat » Tue May 19, 2020 8:45 pm

While I get the desire to try and see the positives, the per capita testing rate really should have been taken into account. Because that, unfortunately, is nowhere near where it should be.

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Post by I am nobody » Wed May 20, 2020 7:10 am

I know what he's trying to say, but anyone can see from being 16th in per capita rates that our testing is nothing special. Trying to turn an ongoing problem into a point of pride doesn't help anyone.

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Post by Shane » Wed May 20, 2020 10:32 am

I don't know that that is a particularly relevant statistic either since the country that "wins" by that metric has a population smaller than Wyoming. The US has improved availability of testing for those that need or want it and continues to do so. However you look at it, that's a good thing. It would be even better if we didn't have to wait so long in the future by removing the government regulations that created the problem.
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Post by I am nobody » Wed May 20, 2020 10:58 am

Sure, but it's not about winning. You can't be sure the virus is under control unless testing is extensive and thorough. What that means is inherently dependent on your population size.

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Post by Shane » Wed May 20, 2020 5:45 pm

This place is hopping. Seems like people are done with quarantine.

I didn't suggest it was about winning either, or see why it matters. Does Trump brag too much? Yes. I'd be more concerned if he said America was nothing special or "never was that great." We should be striving to be doing the best job possible, though I don't see how we'll ever catch Iceland or Bahrain, so we are destined to fail if that is actually a measure of success. The important thing is we have significantly and finally ramped up testing (as have other countries), have a steadily declining rate of positive tests, and the early open states are seeing continued positive trends in death data, though obviously this does not suggest we are anywhere near done nor will not have any setbacks. I don't think the data is very complete without good, widespread antibody testing, since the vast majority of people who get it have no or very mild symptoms, but nonetheless increased testing is a good thing.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19

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Post by steeze » Thu May 21, 2020 9:52 am

Whether you're a trump fan or not. I would love for this to be the last few months that we'd have to talk about him. Between him picking fights with all the world leaders and the domestic polarization of the entire population, this isn't what we were promised in 2016.

Republicans will ignore facts and will bend over backward to make fallacious arguments in support of a cause they feel obligated to support.

Democrats think that because you support him you must also share his beliefs. That they are always in the right. Morally and objectionably.

I'm just over it. If everything was running smoothly right now we wouldn't have been put inside our houses for the past few months getting fatter. All this guy has done is stir the pot and run on the promise of this is the best economy that we've ever seen. Our portfolios have done extremely well at my firm but that's not because the market was stable. I can promise you that. I'd just like a little bit of a return to normalcy. Idk why anyone would want this drama for another 4 years. I feel like I've already been going through this volatility for 8 years.

It's one thing to say oh everything is great, this is the greatest we've ever been but now we have to get back to being great again. It's entirely another to stop and take a good look around to see if all those hyperboles are coming into fruition. You know what though, ANYONE else would shut up and go do their job instead of trying to constantly defend it. If Shane was president right now do you think this man would be out there on twitter or on VGF trying to troll people online? Absolutely not. I just want someone who does their job so that I can have the peace of mind to go about my day and not have to hear about some stupid nonsense that the media is reporting or that trump decided to snort malaria pills so that everyone would forget he's just trying to interfere with internal investigations of staff again.

In all honesty, I wish that the Republicans weren't such weak-kneed pansies and would nominate someone more in-line with their hopes and beliefs and I wish the democrats would just shut up already and stop trying to pretend politics isn't a power grab backed by greed and step off the high horse. Until the Super-PAC system is abolished and lobbying is outlawed politics will always be corrupt. I say give the president a real salary. Create a committee to fund presidential campaigns. Even split down the middle for each nominee to spend how he sees fit. Then hire an independent nonprofit to televise and host debates for each candidate. Give everyone the day off to vote. Just a dream.

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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19

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Post by I am nobody » Thu May 21, 2020 10:11 am

I'm not the CE mod, but a broader Trump discussion is rather off topic here and likely better suited for PPR. Would suggest any other posts along those lines move there.

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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19

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Post by smol Kat » Thu May 21, 2020 10:21 am

Hey, y'all know how I vote. You know the governor of Maryland? The one I've praised numerous times for his response to the crisis? He is not how I typically vote (in fact, I didn't vote for him last election because I felt that my candidate was the best of goods, a rarity in politics).

Just, you know, throwing that out there.

Being disgusted by the quack remedies suggested by our supposed top leader, by the fact that he literally fired the pandemic response team AND PUT A DOG BREEDER IN CHARGE, just to name a couple things? Those are objectively bad responses to a crisis. Regardless of who responds that way.

Sorry if that's controversial!! Or political!! Or whatever!

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P.P.S. hi ian I see your post. Trying to keep this as much about the pandemic as possible. tl;dr my opinion of presidential response, while basically the same as my opinion of the president overall, is independent of said opinion. The shock! The horror!
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Post by steeze » Thu May 21, 2020 10:28 am

We want to hear more about the dog breeder. What kind of dogs? Where are the dogs and can I pet them?

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Post by smol Kat » Thu May 21, 2020 10:40 am

Hang on I think I sent it to someone in a DM. Will edit this post when I find it.

You can maybe pet the dogs? I think they were doodles.

Edit: Per Reuters. looks like it was an aide, not the head honcho (but the aide was appointed by said head honcho). My mistake.
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Thu May 21, 2020 1:07 pm

As far as I'm concerned, Trump failed to respond fast enough to prevent the coronavirus and that's enough for me to not vote for him (I mean, I probably wouldn't vote at all anyway, but still). I expected some significant changes to social issues like abortion and immigration too, but he only seems concerned with helping those who are already well off and hurting poor people. I've definitely lost most of what little faith I had in him.

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Post by smol Kat » Thu May 21, 2020 1:38 pm

^That is good to know. Thank you for your response.

That said, preventing something as contagious as COVID is practically impossible. However, his actions have utterly failed to do anything to curb spread. Which should be the goal here.
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Post by Shane » Thu May 21, 2020 5:31 pm

NYC announced that over 250k fewer vaccinations have been administered, down 91% for children over age 2. It's a good thing most schools aren't reopening for a few months because this suggests millions of kids are exposed to diseases they normally would have a defense against. Hopefully we can get it under control at least before the fall.

I'm not exactly favorable of Trump's early response regardless of whether he was fed atrocious data, but the China travel ban happened on January 31, more than 1 month before the first death. This action was dismissed as racist for weeks. Perhaps someone like Ron DeSantis would have done a better job, but it doesn't seem like most would have. Though in the US, there are limitations to what power a President has to affect such a situation, since it should (assuming the Constitution is deemed to still hold any weight) be up to the states to do much of the heavy lifting.
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Thu May 21, 2020 5:42 pm

Everything is considered "racist" by certain people these days, I don't think anyone takes such accusations seriously anymore (or shouldn't). Anyway, the virus was known of before January 31st, so that seems pretty slow really. Although I guess I didn't consider there could be limitations on what he could do, I suppose it may not be his fault if that's true. It certainly seemed like a series of slow and weak responses though.

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