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Post by Calamity Panfan » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:11 pm

i worked as a janitor one summer and I can confirm people are awful at pooping
and that's the waaaaaaaaaay the news goes

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:52 pm

[QUOTE="LOOT, post: 1593734, member: 21459"]you do realize your proposal for "middle ground" actually means barring cis men because they're the ones most likely to cause any sort of discomfort[/QUOTE]

And why is this?

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Post by CaptHayfever » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:21 am

^Historical precedent.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:29 am

[QUOTE="CaptHayfever, post: 1594186, member: 25169"]^Historical precedent.

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Meaning what? I don't follow.

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Post by CaptHayfever » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:44 am

Meaning that cis people have initiated far more harassment & assault in public restrooms than trans people have, in both raw count and percentage. In fact, I am personally unaware of any cases of trans people initiating trouble in a public restroom.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:57 am

[QUOTE="CaptHayfever, post: 1594199, member: 25169"]Meaning that cis people have initiated far more harassment & assault in public restrooms than trans people have, in both raw count and percentage. In fact, I am personally unaware of any cases of trans people initiating trouble in a public restroom.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"[/QUOTE]

That doesn't seem fair. You'll explain away or even justify high rates of black gang activity or extremely high rates of religious terror from Muslims, won't you? Why don't you try that now? Look past the statistics and numbers like you would for them.

I'll do it for you. Of course there's more harassment & assault from "cis" people. There's about 700,000 transgender people out of 323.4 million Americans. Might be a bit less trans to commit those crimes in the first place, huh? Maybe a little. And that isn't taking into account that them being trans may not be noted in all crimes, reducing the visibility of whatever do occur.

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Post by CaptHayfever » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:12 am

First of all, I'm not supporting discrimination against cis people (Neither is Loot; she was being sarcastic, as is her wont), so trying to flip this around & question why I don't also support discrimination against blacks & Muslims is completely asinine.

Secondly, you either missed, ignored, or misunderstood the part where I said...
[quote="me]and percentage[/quote] ...which meant that even per capita[/I"] it's not as prevalent.

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Post by LOOT » Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:51 am

I've seen enough times people cite "some transgender people are women" against the claim this law is supposed to "protect women". however at this point I should point out that this isn't even actually about protecting women, it's about being able to SAY that "we're protecting women". it's slacktivism essentially: person doesn't like group of people, person moves for law to discriminate against them, person is deluded into thinking they're "helping". except instead of bitching about reblogging of social issues it's about enacting laws designed for police to gladly enforce since they're the ones with power while Mr. Straight White sits in his chair believing he's done his work to save America.

absolutely ridiculous to keep saying "well trans people will make others uncomfortable" yeah that's transphobia, no other words to describe it. trans people have always had fears of using their appropriate bathroom, what **** right do cis people have to ignore these fears and instead go "gasp! what if she has a penis?!" and now there's a law specifically discriminating against us. thanks America

and here's the kicker: trans people tend to feel uncomfortable around cis people in general, bathroom or not. no, it's not "cisphobia" that is not a word, it's discomfort because of fear, and much like a man fearing a woman may give the wrong phone number while the woman fears she may be assaulted this cis fear in no way compares to us constantly wondering if we're going to be killed for being different

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:48 pm

CaptHayfever, post: 1594223, member: 25169 wrote:First of all, I'm not supporting discrimination against cis people (Neither is Loot; she was being sarcastic, as is her wont), so trying to flip this around & question why I don't also support discrimination against blacks & Muslims is completely asinine.
I'm sure you know, at least now, that I was pretending not to know what you and Loot were talking about from the beginning, right? I just wanted to see you point the finger at cis yourself, and you did. Saying that "cis people have initiated far more harassment & assault in public restrooms than trans people have" is clear enough without delving into specifics, but as if to add insult to injury, you then elevate trans people by saying "in fact, I am personally unaware of any cases of trans people initiating trouble in a public restroom." As if it wouldn't have already been enough to say cis people cause more problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_asp ... sgenderism
Globally, most legal jurisdictions recognise the two traditional gender identities and social roles, man and woman, but tend to exclude any other gender identities, and expressions.
And I didn't miss your "percentage" bit either, but you seem to have missed where I noted that transgender status doesn't usually seem to be documented in a legal sense regarding crime. If I were arrested today for sexual harassment and I considered myself transgender, they wouldn't put me down as Two Spirit just because it is how I identify, they would put me in the system as a man and then I'd count toward cis harassment. That possibly explains just why you say you haven't even heard of any such cases.

You say you aren't supporting discrimination against cis but it definitely sounds like you are to me. Whenever something like one of those example issues I brought up such as the one concerning gangs you will see people bring up the socioeconomic factors involved in why minorities make up something like 85% of gang members, I've seen you do things like that before. You're good at defending who you think deserves it, but I guess cis don't...If you want, I can go scout for your defenses of particular groups in instances like the one I set up.

My point is that I believe you're biased, Capt. I'm not trying to attack you here, I just don't think you're being fair on the issues.[DOUBLEPOST=1461970120,1461969625][/DOUBLEPOST]
LOOT, post: 1594237, member: 21459 wrote:...while Mr. Straight White sits in his chair believing he's done his work to save America.
Why are you injecting race into this?
LOOT]absolutely ridiculous to keep saying wrote:
That is not transphobia. People want to feel comfortable in restrooms by being with people like themselves, otherwise there's no point to separating men's and women's bathrooms in the first place. It isn't tough to understand.

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Post by CaptHayfever » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:29 am

I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1594252, member: 18119 wrote:I'm sure you know, at least now, that I was pretending not to know what you and Loot were talking about from the beginning, right?
Hard to tell sometimes.
I just wanted to see you point the finger at cis yourself, and you did. Saying that "cis people have initiated far more harassment & assault in public restrooms than trans people have" is clear enough without delving into specifics, but as if to add insult to injury, you then elevate trans people by saying "in fact, I am personally unaware of any cases of trans people initiating trouble in a public restroom." As if it wouldn't have already been enough to say cis people cause more problems.
That's not meant to point the finger at cis people; it's meant to underscore the absurdity of discrimination laws against trans people based on actions that almost no trans people are known to have done. Please tell me you understand the difference between opposing a discriminatory law against one group & supporting discrimination against another group.
You say you aren't supporting discrimination against cis but it definitely sounds like you are to me.
How? Why would I support discrimination against myself? That would be completely stupid.
You're good at defending who you think deserves it, but I guess cis don't...
I'm not saying we don't deserve it; I'm saying we don't need it, because we're not the ones being legislatively discriminated against.
My point is that I believe you're biased, Capt. I'm not trying to attack you here, I just don't think you're being fair on the issues.
MY point is that I don't think you're getting what the issue is.

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Post by LOOT » Sun May 01, 2016 10:31 pm

I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1594252, member: 18119 wrote:That is not transphobia. People want to feel comfortable in restrooms by being with people like themselves, otherwise there's no point to separating men's and women's bathrooms in the first place. It isn't tough to understand.
Excuse me? People like "themselves"? What the **** is that supposed to mean? Are you that much of a **** moron you feel uncomfortable about someone's genitalia all the time? HUH?

And STOP with the **** "what about OUR comfort?!!" ********. There are KIDS out there that want to use the bathroom they feel comfortable with, and they're at SO MUCH greater risk than adults of assault and putting transgender girls into Men's restrooms is DANGEROUS
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of course you don't know what phobia means, too. IRRATIONAL fear. Irrational as in "why are you such a dense moron when it comes to sharing a public restroom with a transgender person"

**** unbelievable, here I actually thought you changed

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Sun May 01, 2016 11:37 pm

[QUOTE="LOOT, post: 1594423, member: 21459"]Excuse me? People like "themselves"? What the **** is that supposed to mean? Are you that much of a ****ing moron you feel uncomfortable about someone's genitalia all the time? HUH?[/quote]

If that's the case then why were there even separate bathrooms in the first place?

[quote="LOOT]And STOP with the ****ing "]

So then you have your own concerns about children's safety from your perspective? Then you should respect that others have their own concerns, but when presented with differing points of view you act like this.

[quote="LOOT]of course you don't know what phobia means"]

Actually, phobia is either extreme or irrational fear, not just "irrational." Also, it's been a while since you've called me names, good to know you're not a Skrull.

[quote="LOOT]****ing unbelievable"]

You only ever respond to my comments on these types of issues to curse at me. Where were you when I said "if a person is willing to fight and possibly die in another country in defense of his/her own, then they should probably be allowed to do so in the uniform of their choosing," regarding the transgender soldier who was seemingly arbitrarily forced to wear a specific uniform?

As long as someone's personal decisions are both legal and cannot affect other people, then why would I be opposed to them? It's a free country for everyone, not just SWM scum. That's why I've never been against civil unions, either, and why I'm in favor of unisex bathrooms as a compromise to this issue we're discussing.

I consider myself pretty fair, but whatever.

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Post by Deepfake » Mon May 02, 2016 12:50 am

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1594426, member: 18119"]If that's the case then why were there even separate bathrooms in the first place?[/QUOTE]
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